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[Updated Nov. 15 7:30 p.m.] South Windsor Rink/Rec/Pool Proposal Could Cost Thousands More than Estimated

Town attorney says that the 63-20 corporation, as an agent of the town, would "probably" be required to pay prevailing wages.

The proposed ice rink/recreation center/pool project that has been proposed for the Promenade Shops at Evergreen Walk could cost up to at least $600,000 more than its initial $10.5 million price tag.

Indeed, according to Town Attorney Dwight Johnson in a Nov. 8 letter to the Town Council, the project would "probably" require the payment of prevailing wages to construction workers, which could drive up the labor costs of construction by 20 to 30 percent.

In an interview on Nov. 15, Town Councilor Kevin McCann said that labor costs would be about 30 percent of the cost of the project, and the prevailing wage would add about 20 percent the labor. That would mean about 6 percent - or roughly $600,000 - added to the project. The labor cost could be higher by a couple hundred thousand dollars more, depending on the calculations of the prevailing wages.

Johnson's comments were in response to several questions submitted to him by Mayor Tom Delnicki and Town Councilor Kevin McCann concerning the legalities of the project, which would be constructed near the Old Navy at the lifestyle mall.

Among the highlights of the other responses provided by Johnson are the following:

  • The town charter permits the use of a 63-20 corporation to construct the project, in Johnson’s opinion, without the need for a referendum for the town to enter into a lease with that corporation.
  • A simple majority - five town councilors out of the nine - would be needed to approve the project as proposed, according to Johnson. “Six votes is required to approve an expenditure of more the $25,000 if the expenditure is not provided for in the annual budget,” Johnson wrote. “In this case, a vote of five members would be sufficient provided that the Town is not expending its own money on the project.  If the Town were to enter into a lease for all or a portion of the use of the facility, the annual appropriation of the lease payments would be included in the annual budget.  Expenditures by a properly formed 63-20 corporation would not be considered an expenditure by the Town for these purposes.”
  • It does not appear that competitive bidding is necessary for the project because the 63-20 corporation would be handling construction.
  • Johnson estimates the cost for the town to defend against a legal challenge to the project to run between $25,000 to $100,000, depending on how far in the process a lawsuit went. The $100,000 figure is an estimate in the unlikely event that the matter went to trial.

Efforts to reach Delnicki for comment were unsuccessful.

The proposal calls for the creation of a 63-20 not-for-profit corporation, which would obtain federal tax-free bonds to construct the following:

  • a 35,000 square-foot community center for youths that will have classrooms and an aquatic center comprising an eight-lane pool, therapy pool and diving pools.
  • Two - one indoor, one outdoor - ice skating rinks; the indoor rink alone will be 38,000 square feet and will be under the same roof as the Community Center, while the outdoor rink would be about 22,000 square feet.
  • An extensive multi-use trail and bike path system that would connect the Promenade Shops at Evergreen Walk with the Town Center. The new paths would provide safe connections for pedestrians and cyclists.

The corporation would then lease the use of the rinks, pool and recreation center to the town, according to the plan.

The project, brought before the Town Council last month, has generated some controversy and more than a little conversation in South Windsor.

Some residents have said that the project would be a much-needed asset that would alleviate space problems at the Charles N. Enes Community Center, provide a source of recreation in town and give the Promenade Shops at Evergreen Walk a shot in the arm in a challenging economy. Members of the biking and high school swimming and diving community have also expressed their support for the project.

more than the projected $600,000 annual lease payment that was submitted to the Town Council. Furthermore, others have said that there is no need to build a new ice hockey rink when one already exists in the town - South Windsor Arena.

[Correction: the original piece stated that prevailing wage could drive up the cost of the project by several million dollars. South Windsor Patch regrets the error.]

Bob Feher November 12, 2012 at 12:52 pm
That's great news!!!
Bob Feher November 12, 2012 at 01:19 pm
Ted great coverage and you've outlined another great point in regards to the project.
When the 6320 is created the project will go out to bid. The $10.5 million is an estimate. When a bid is accepted the price will be set. The 6320 is protected, and construction companies cannot go over budget, they would have to eat any additional costs to the project, and the town cannot be liable. I know of at least 4 construction companies that are eager to bid, prevailing wage or not. Now that Mr. Johnson has put any legal issues to rest, we can move forward! The annual budget is $100 million. In regards to the lease $$ amount. It's nothing more than budget dust, and we should be able to find the money in current budget without any tax increases.
Bob Feher November 12, 2012 at 01:23 pm
We can equate it to: if you had $100.00 dollars, this project would cost you 50 cents. For a large community center, basketball court, indoor pools, rinks, and more space and activities for Seniors. No one can argue that the 50cents is a waste or not worth the investment.
I've seen over 100 posts regarding this project and the responses have been overwhelmingly positive. It's time to stop reading and posting. It's time to go to South Windsor Town Hall and sit down and talk about it. Now that the legalities have been taken care of, I hope there is enough support from the Town Council and The Mayor to bring this project forward formally. The Town can't loose and everyone wins! This is an opportunity to do something special for the town, and we are lucky to have Mr. Finguerra investing in our Town. He's brought jobs and tax revenue to the Town of South Windsor. This opportunity can't be wasted. South Windsor Evergreen Community Center-It's time to invest in our Town, businesses, children, seniors, families!!
Pam Petersen November 12, 2012 at 02:31 pm
Sorry here's one taxpayer that is not buying their propaganda (again). I am not a senior, nor do I have children in town, thus I am one of those "middle class" 45-55 year olds that the town is taxing to death with no benefit to me. I would not have the time to utilize this new project because I am too busy working to pay my taxes and put food on the table. I don't know where proponents think the extra money will come from. Perhaps all us middle class empty nesters should move out of town and take all our tax money with us thus leaving a town of families and seniors who will end up paying for all the nice amenities the town is offering. Then it will truly be fair to all to have those who use the facility paying for that privilege.
John Dawson November 12, 2012 at 02:43 pm
Short sighted.
The good news is your property value will be higher when the project is approved. Try some Prozac.
Chris November 12, 2012 at 02:59 pm
Pam, fortunately for this great Town of South Windsor, if you move out I believe another family would be more than eager to move in. Especially if we keep investing in our town facilities. You actually made a great point by threatening to move out for going through with this project. It will help keep the value of your home up and the demand for being a South Windsor resident high.
Jodi November 12, 2012 at 03:36 pm
I am a soon to be empty nester, so I will not have children using the facilities, but I fully support the proposal. I recognize it is a risk in every sense of the word, but I feell like our town NEVER takes risks. (For example, our elementary schools need to be renovated, the referendums have failed twice--the Town Council needs to think of a creative way to get those renovations funded.) As citizens we need to think of the entire town, not just what is in it for "me." I think the people behind this project need to truly explain the math to the citizens. If a house is assessed at XXX this is how much it will impact your monthly taxes. I hope all the math and legalities truly work out and the Town Council approves the project. I look forward to using the facilities, you do not have to be a kid to enjoy it!
Kathy Kobrzycki November 12, 2012 at 04:39 pm
Where would society be if we only funded services we used? Would we have towns with just seniors, towns with just families, towns with no schools because nobody has children? We need to look at the town as a whole. This proposal benefits more than just one type of user. You don't have to have children to enjoy the walking and biking paths, if you have children they can enjoy a pool year round and learn to skate, you can take classes offered by the rec department, the seniors can benefit from the extra space in the community center vacated by the building of a new center. I see a lot of benefit for very little cost. Town Council Members figure out a way to make this great opportunity happen.
Michael Pollack November 12, 2012 at 04:55 pm
Kathy, great points.
Adding to them, people should also consider that bringing additional folks into our town to use these facilities means there are more people to spend money on our local businesses. And as someone else also mentioned, better town facilities means better property values, which is a win for every homeowner, regardless of what services they use.
Rita Sigler November 12, 2012 at 05:18 pm
Author Nelson Henderson wrote that "The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit." One needs to look at the bigger picture and the long term view. I always vote for the school improvement referendums, even though my kids will be out of Eli Terry before it would even be completed. Why? Because I want others to move here for the same reasons I did seven years ago. Great schools, fantastic libraries and a top-notch recreation department.
south windsor citizen November 12, 2012 at 06:33 pm
Maybe we made a mistake voting Mr. Delnicki in as mayor. He is taking this issue personally and seems to be challenging most of the town being against this worthwhile project.
Daniel Kaffee November 12, 2012 at 07:12 pm
I must have missed Mayor Delnicki coming out against this project. I was under the impression that he was asking good questions about the cost and legality of the project. As an elected official, shouldn't those thing be answered before this project gets approved?
Pam Petersen November 12, 2012 at 11:52 pm
Next time you wish to debate me, kindly refrain from using such immature tactics and comments.
Ted Glanzer (Editor) November 13, 2012 at 01:21 am
OK gang, we are creeping up on personal attacks - there's no need for them. Please refrain from insults. Reasonable minds can disagree. Let's just leave it at that. tdg
Ruth Bortolan November 13, 2012 at 02:07 am
I appreciate Mayor Delnicki 's asking questions. That is his job!
I can 't imagine our council members committing our taxpayers to a million dollar lease for thirty years in addition to hiring staff, paying for their benefits, heating,cooling and maintaining a hockey rink and paying for insurance. This project sounds wonderful to have once we have the money to take care of the schools, facilities we already have. Four questions on the ballot last week failed to pass. Why would anyone think that those same voters would pass a referendum question on the hockey rink project? We need to separate needs and wants. When we can afford to take care of the needs we can look at the wants! Prioritize and make transparent all of the expenses that we have to be responsible for. If it passes a referendum then do it.
Matt Riley November 13, 2012 at 02:44 am
Ted, as we discussed, the town attorney did say that prevailing wages would "probably" be required. I'm sure that would result in additional cost to the builder and perhaps additional cost to the 63-20 (all tbd); but if you are going to site "millions" more than estimated, I think you need to site the experts - whoever provided the $2MM+ figure.
Putting the above aside, the real news here is that the Charter provides the Town with wide ranging authority "incident to the management of the property, government and affairs of the town" including the establishment of 63-20 corporations as allowed for under the Connecticut General Statutes. Tom, as Mayor of our town, had to have know this. But now that he and the TC are armed with the attorney's opinion, they are well positioned to confidently consider the use of 63-20 corporations - and to protect our right to do so.
M. Moriarty November 13, 2012 at 06:13 am
This project idea is a good start to getting some additional landmarks to town that will attract new people and increase the quality of life here. I however do appreciate the time that due diligence takes to ensure a proposed project is feasible and delivered correctly. How often is an original plan modified after such procedures are done? Look at the CT Studios Project as an example.
I hope the town makes the choice of moving forward with this project, but would also reasonably expect that some details change based on such diligence. Considerations such as creating only one rink and other modifications to make the investment less risky would be wise. Open space is always in demand so leveraging space for fields, fairs, and other events could also be an attractive option.
Darren DeMartino November 14, 2012 at 02:03 pm
I couldn't agree more. My kids don't play hockey or swim competitively and for that matter will probably never see the new elementary schools but I understand these are things we need to do as a town to protect our property values. Look at the improvements the towns around us have made to stay desirable, and look what has happened to the towns that haven't. It is very simple, we can chose to invest and pay with small tax increases, or chose to do nothing and see your house values drop as our town becomes less desirable.
Darren DeMartino November 14, 2012 at 02:06 pm
Matt I agree wholeheartedly. The Journal Inquirer reported the same information in a much different light. Ted you do an awesome job for our town, please continue to do so.
Darren DeMartino November 15, 2012 at 01:47 am
Mayor Delnicki has commented publicly in a negative manner on this project without even having all of the facts/numbers. Why is he trying everything he can to block a project that has so much potential upside for so many in our community? In today's JI he expresses concerns abut such a league expenditure not going to a referendum. How is it that we approved a $1.4 million fire truck without going to referendum Mr. Mayor? How come you didn't use the JI to express your concern about that expenditure? Mr Mayor please know that your small minded views and childish behavior are costing you any chance of getting reelected next year! The town of South Windsor deserves better!
Kelly Mooney November 15, 2012 at 11:39 pm
Pam Peterson- who are you feeding? You say you have no kids... Move. We with kids need this! We revert to going to other towns and giving them our money
Ted Glanzer (Editor) November 16, 2012 at 12:42 am
Once again, a reminder to remain civil and avoid personal attacks. Thank you.
Cynthia Kaplan November 16, 2012 at 02:38 am
One way to offset the potential prevailing wage increases for this project is to build it as an Energy Star or LEED or Green Globes project. Doing any of these programs makes the facility less expensive to operate, and opens up opportunities for CT Clean Energy Fund and CT Energy Efficiency Fund allocations.
Bob November 20, 2012 at 07:07 pm
If the private sector sees the financial benefit for putting in a second and third hockey rink in this town, let them do it. Tax payer money should not be used to compete with business who pay taxes. Personal agendas should stay, well, personal

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